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		By: Why Narcissists Punish You at Vacation Time - Path2Positivity		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2022 23:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] You’re damned should you do. You’re damned should you don’t. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] You’re damned should you do. You’re damned should you don’t. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Brittany		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brittany]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2020 07:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.melanietoniaevans.com/narcissistic-abuse-youre-damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-dont/#comment-614417&quot;&gt;D&lt;/a&gt;.

I had a bad break up about 6 months ago, after 12 years together. I had been suspecting for a while, but never had solid evidence of cheating.  I was always scared of confrontation because the very second I would ask questions (even a normal day-to- day question like &quot;where are you?&quot;), I would get a reaction like an atomic bomb.   Then after the initial reaction, the conversation would turn towards me and I would get blamed for something.... anything... to divert the attention to me.      To this day, he rationalizes everything, and says that &quot;everything happens for a reason (even negative things)&quot;, and &quot; I should be glad because I have been taught a lesson&quot;..  

For the entire 12 years, I always aimed to please, and would put his wants before my own, and always put myself last. When truth came out that he had been cheating (for the past 3 years, and probably the 3rd time.. that I know of), he placed blame on me and told me that I pushed him away by not doing exactly what he wanted me to do.  Nothing was ever good enough.. too much dust in the house. I got an air purifier. Temperature was too hot in ththe house. I turned the ac on. I looked out the window driving in the car bc I was checking out another guy, Was accused of cheating (or trying to hook up) with LITERALLY every single guythat he introduced me to...  even tried to accuse me of cheating with his SON when he came to visit for a few weeks in summer. He says what &quot;pushed him away&quot; was Too much cat hair. I groomed them, and vacuumed every 2 days, offered to put his clothes in the dry cleaners.  Said the apartment was too small and there wasnt enough space to run around. What did I do? I moved into a house with a whole ACRE in the back yard. You think that made a difference? Not at all.      I asked him if he has regrets. He said No regrets, no remorse because it happened for a reason.. 

This is all just inthe last 3 years.   There are PLENTY of other things to say. I could create an entire tv series based on my relationship... but your article basically summed everything up precisely how I have experienced the last 12 years.    I have letgo, but  sometimes still struggle with remembering the &quot;good&quot; times and not wanting to let that go. We also have a child together, which makes things trickier... so I am trying very hard to balance the parenting friendship/dynamic for the sake of our daughter, who has experienced the wrath of her  Dad&#039;s narcissistic-ness  first hand also.   About 95% lecturing and yelling and being told what NOT to do, Instead of praise and being guided on what To do.      Unfortunately, I fell for his reasoning on the way he likes to parent.. and I believed that I was wrong and that the reason why she doesn&#039;t listen all the time and do what I ask at the drop of a dime is because of my own fault (not at all because she is a pre-teen 10 year old who is trying to figure herself out, and her own emotions). He has bla.ed me for trying to &quot;pit her against him&quot;,(which I NEVER have. In fact I do still speak highly of him because he is still her dad, and I dont want her to think any less of him), but the reality is that he is the one putting her against me. Sometimes he praises me, but when hes angry he Says things like &quot;mom will never be good enough&quot;, or &quot;the next person she meets will be nothing like me&quot;, or &quot; I built your mom from the ground up. She would be lost without me&quot;... 

My poor daughter and I are so traumatized by her dad, that I pray that I can catch this in time so that she does not become a narcissist too (like your other article mentioned .   

Sorry for the SUPER LONG POST, but this is the FIRST time I have expressed any of this fruatration to anyone in 12 years (except the narcissist himself) ! 

Staying strong, and doing my best to avoid letting him weasel back in to my emotions. Most days it&#039;s sort of easy, bc I just dont talk to him... but the times when I do talk, he is usually so friendly and charming with me, I feel myself getting sucked back in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.melanietoniaevans.com/narcissistic-abuse-youre-damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-dont/#comment-614417">D</a>.</p>
<p>I had a bad break up about 6 months ago, after 12 years together. I had been suspecting for a while, but never had solid evidence of cheating.  I was always scared of confrontation because the very second I would ask questions (even a normal day-to- day question like &#8220;where are you?&#8221;), I would get a reaction like an atomic bomb.   Then after the initial reaction, the conversation would turn towards me and I would get blamed for something&#8230;. anything&#8230; to divert the attention to me.      To this day, he rationalizes everything, and says that &#8220;everything happens for a reason (even negative things)&#8221;, and &#8221; I should be glad because I have been taught a lesson&#8221;..  </p>
<p>For the entire 12 years, I always aimed to please, and would put his wants before my own, and always put myself last. When truth came out that he had been cheating (for the past 3 years, and probably the 3rd time.. that I know of), he placed blame on me and told me that I pushed him away by not doing exactly what he wanted me to do.  Nothing was ever good enough.. too much dust in the house. I got an air purifier. Temperature was too hot in ththe house. I turned the ac on. I looked out the window driving in the car bc I was checking out another guy, Was accused of cheating (or trying to hook up) with LITERALLY every single guythat he introduced me to&#8230;  even tried to accuse me of cheating with his SON when he came to visit for a few weeks in summer. He says what &#8220;pushed him away&#8221; was Too much cat hair. I groomed them, and vacuumed every 2 days, offered to put his clothes in the dry cleaners.  Said the apartment was too small and there wasnt enough space to run around. What did I do? I moved into a house with a whole ACRE in the back yard. You think that made a difference? Not at all.      I asked him if he has regrets. He said No regrets, no remorse because it happened for a reason.. </p>
<p>This is all just inthe last 3 years.   There are PLENTY of other things to say. I could create an entire tv series based on my relationship&#8230; but your article basically summed everything up precisely how I have experienced the last 12 years.    I have letgo, but  sometimes still struggle with remembering the &#8220;good&#8221; times and not wanting to let that go. We also have a child together, which makes things trickier&#8230; so I am trying very hard to balance the parenting friendship/dynamic for the sake of our daughter, who has experienced the wrath of her  Dad&#8217;s narcissistic-ness  first hand also.   About 95% lecturing and yelling and being told what NOT to do, Instead of praise and being guided on what To do.      Unfortunately, I fell for his reasoning on the way he likes to parent.. and I believed that I was wrong and that the reason why she doesn&#8217;t listen all the time and do what I ask at the drop of a dime is because of my own fault (not at all because she is a pre-teen 10 year old who is trying to figure herself out, and her own emotions). He has bla.ed me for trying to &#8220;pit her against him&#8221;,(which I NEVER have. In fact I do still speak highly of him because he is still her dad, and I dont want her to think any less of him), but the reality is that he is the one putting her against me. Sometimes he praises me, but when hes angry he Says things like &#8220;mom will never be good enough&#8221;, or &#8220;the next person she meets will be nothing like me&#8221;, or &#8221; I built your mom from the ground up. She would be lost without me&#8221;&#8230; </p>
<p>My poor daughter and I are so traumatized by her dad, that I pray that I can catch this in time so that she does not become a narcissist too (like your other article mentioned .   </p>
<p>Sorry for the SUPER LONG POST, but this is the FIRST time I have expressed any of this fruatration to anyone in 12 years (except the narcissist himself) ! </p>
<p>Staying strong, and doing my best to avoid letting him weasel back in to my emotions. Most days it&#8217;s sort of easy, bc I just dont talk to him&#8230; but the times when I do talk, he is usually so friendly and charming with me, I feel myself getting sucked back in.</p>
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		By: Theresa		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Detaching means there is no gap where the person took up place in my heart, but blessing them on their journey without me.
Attaching means making room for others in my heart and being grateful for a shared journey with them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Detaching means there is no gap where the person took up place in my heart, but blessing them on their journey without me.<br />
Attaching means making room for others in my heart and being grateful for a shared journey with them.</p>
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		By: Donna		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thank God for bringing your article to my attention today. You have answered a lot of the questions I have had for a very long time. Thank you so much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank God for bringing your article to my attention today. You have answered a lot of the questions I have had for a very long time. Thank you so much.</p>
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		By: Melanie Tonia Evans		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melanie Tonia Evans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2018 00:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.melanietoniaevans.com/narcissistic-abuse-youre-damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-dont/#comment-1051516&quot;&gt;Gabriela&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey Gabriela,

I truly do believe that all our ‘less than’ parts are to do with unhealed trauma within generating that behaviour.

There is only one solution: meet and heal those inner traumas.

NARP is a very effective solution to do that. Many people in your position have used it successfully for your situation.

https://www.melanietoniaevans.com/narp 

I hope this helps.

Mel 🙏💕❤️]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.melanietoniaevans.com/narcissistic-abuse-youre-damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-dont/#comment-1051516">Gabriela</a>.</p>
<p>Hey Gabriela,</p>
<p>I truly do believe that all our ‘less than’ parts are to do with unhealed trauma within generating that behaviour.</p>
<p>There is only one solution: meet and heal those inner traumas.</p>
<p>NARP is a very effective solution to do that. Many people in your position have used it successfully for your situation.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.melanietoniaevans.com/narp" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.melanietoniaevans.com/narp</a> </p>
<p>I hope this helps.</p>
<p>Mel 🙏💕❤️</p>
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		By: Gabriela		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabriela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2018 15:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are doing such a great and  important work for so many of us in abusive relationships or being abusive themselves. 
Coming from a dysfunctional and abusive home it was very natural to marry   a  dysfunctional and abusive man.  I thought that he is  great and special and charming and that  I am such a nothing that it was only normal to put my self aside and to do every thing to please him so he would stay with me. The moment I started to be with him I stopped being me, avoiding all the stuff which made him angry. He had awful demands and treated me like his slave.  It was hell. But.....I never accepted this hell and I believed that he is actually a good man. I did every thing to cause him to change and after years of me not giving up  he really started to work on himself and he succeeded to become more and more his real self. He succeeded to get rid of an awful addiction and left his corrupt ways.  Today he is a very loving and loyal man, the man I always knew was inside of him. I have every reason to be happy today.....but I am broken and dead inside. I am traumatized and lost the contact to myself. I do not know what I want, who I really am and all the time I feel guilty for not being the woman he deserves for all the hard work he did.
 But the most horrible thing is that while fighting his extreme narcissism  I turned into a narcissist myself. A highly critical and demanding and controlling and cold person with no real contact to my real self. I was shocked when I read your stuff in your  blog and I realized that I am a survivor and also an offender. I hate myself for being what I have become and I have no clue what to do. Long ago I stopped sharing my feelings with him because I got hurt and ridiculed  and I could not bear the pain anymore. Nobody knows what I went through, I kept it to myself. Inside completely broken and unhappy and outside strong, super efficient and successful and always nice and smiling. Anxiety and tension are a part of my daily life, and always blaming my self for not living up to my and his standards. I have this False self you are talking about, I hate it because its my prison, the prison of my real self which I did not meet for more then 30 years. I do not remember when I was happy the last time and my husband thinks  that it is impossible to satisfy me. He really gives his best but  I got bitter and negative and tired and confused and really unhappy and depressed. I still have the same fears he might leave me if I would be who I really am, and even though this will probably not happen I can not get rid of all this awful feelings I had in my parents house until this very day. 
I know I sound weak but actually I am a very strong person but tragically I use my strength to keep on surviving in my self made prison with this false self of something I thought I have to be to be loved. I will never kill myself, but some times I see no way out and being dead seems to be something to look forward to. Most people respect, admire and love me for being what I am or for being what I pretend - I have no idea who I really am, what is real and what is fake. I simply lost my feelings and I live through my head. In an inner hell of darkness, disconnection, fears, sadness, anger and despair. Something very dramatic  happened to me one year ago and my fasle self got cracked and I feel that I do not exist anymore. I lost myself.  What do you suggest?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are doing such a great and  important work for so many of us in abusive relationships or being abusive themselves.<br />
Coming from a dysfunctional and abusive home it was very natural to marry   a  dysfunctional and abusive man.  I thought that he is  great and special and charming and that  I am such a nothing that it was only normal to put my self aside and to do every thing to please him so he would stay with me. The moment I started to be with him I stopped being me, avoiding all the stuff which made him angry. He had awful demands and treated me like his slave.  It was hell. But&#8230;..I never accepted this hell and I believed that he is actually a good man. I did every thing to cause him to change and after years of me not giving up  he really started to work on himself and he succeeded to become more and more his real self. He succeeded to get rid of an awful addiction and left his corrupt ways.  Today he is a very loving and loyal man, the man I always knew was inside of him. I have every reason to be happy today&#8230;..but I am broken and dead inside. I am traumatized and lost the contact to myself. I do not know what I want, who I really am and all the time I feel guilty for not being the woman he deserves for all the hard work he did.<br />
 But the most horrible thing is that while fighting his extreme narcissism  I turned into a narcissist myself. A highly critical and demanding and controlling and cold person with no real contact to my real self. I was shocked when I read your stuff in your  blog and I realized that I am a survivor and also an offender. I hate myself for being what I have become and I have no clue what to do. Long ago I stopped sharing my feelings with him because I got hurt and ridiculed  and I could not bear the pain anymore. Nobody knows what I went through, I kept it to myself. Inside completely broken and unhappy and outside strong, super efficient and successful and always nice and smiling. Anxiety and tension are a part of my daily life, and always blaming my self for not living up to my and his standards. I have this False self you are talking about, I hate it because its my prison, the prison of my real self which I did not meet for more then 30 years. I do not remember when I was happy the last time and my husband thinks  that it is impossible to satisfy me. He really gives his best but  I got bitter and negative and tired and confused and really unhappy and depressed. I still have the same fears he might leave me if I would be who I really am, and even though this will probably not happen I can not get rid of all this awful feelings I had in my parents house until this very day.<br />
I know I sound weak but actually I am a very strong person but tragically I use my strength to keep on surviving in my self made prison with this false self of something I thought I have to be to be loved. I will never kill myself, but some times I see no way out and being dead seems to be something to look forward to. Most people respect, admire and love me for being what I am or for being what I pretend &#8211; I have no idea who I really am, what is real and what is fake. I simply lost my feelings and I live through my head. In an inner hell of darkness, disconnection, fears, sadness, anger and despair. Something very dramatic  happened to me one year ago and my fasle self got cracked and I feel that I do not exist anymore. I lost myself.  What do you suggest?</p>
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		By: Melanie Tonia Evans		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melanie Tonia Evans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2018 22:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.melanietoniaevans.com/narcissistic-abuse-youre-damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-dont/#comment-1028808&quot;&gt;Megan&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Megan,

That is great that you are getting clarity and being strong.

Please also know that the transformational work I offer which puts the focus and power back into us can assist powerfully to stay away and keep moving forward.

Maybe check out those free resources which are here: https://www.melanietoniaevans.com/freecourse

I wish you continue strength and a powerful recovery.

Mel 🙏💕❤️]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.melanietoniaevans.com/narcissistic-abuse-youre-damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-dont/#comment-1028808">Megan</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Megan,</p>
<p>That is great that you are getting clarity and being strong.</p>
<p>Please also know that the transformational work I offer which puts the focus and power back into us can assist powerfully to stay away and keep moving forward.</p>
<p>Maybe check out those free resources which are here: <a href="https://www.melanietoniaevans.com/freecourse" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.melanietoniaevans.com/freecourse</a></p>
<p>I wish you continue strength and a powerful recovery.</p>
<p>Mel 🙏💕❤️</p>
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		By: Megan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Megan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2018 00:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi there, 
I’ve read many MANY articles about emotionally abusive relationships which led me to a huge amount of narcissistic abusive topics. I could never admit that my partner was narcissistic, when my therapist pointed it out to me, and labeled him with that word, I defended him. I never actually knew what that word meant but I knew it was bad. 
This article was so helpful to me, so empowering, I felt like it was written specifically to me and about me. I am very recently “sober” from my ex (we have been in this cycle of abuse for almost 4 years). It’s been a week since I’ve last spoken to him. He has not tried to contact me, thankfully, because he is like heroin to me and I am weak to his power. I feel though that things are becoming clearer and I’m gaining strength to remove myself and forever be done with this heart wrenching, tumultuous, toxic thing we call love. 
Thank you for this article, I’ve read it every day for 3 days because it actually helps me to not go back. It helps me to remember and to make sense of the madness that has been my life with this person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,<br />
I’ve read many MANY articles about emotionally abusive relationships which led me to a huge amount of narcissistic abusive topics. I could never admit that my partner was narcissistic, when my therapist pointed it out to me, and labeled him with that word, I defended him. I never actually knew what that word meant but I knew it was bad.<br />
This article was so helpful to me, so empowering, I felt like it was written specifically to me and about me. I am very recently “sober” from my ex (we have been in this cycle of abuse for almost 4 years). It’s been a week since I’ve last spoken to him. He has not tried to contact me, thankfully, because he is like heroin to me and I am weak to his power. I feel though that things are becoming clearer and I’m gaining strength to remove myself and forever be done with this heart wrenching, tumultuous, toxic thing we call love.<br />
Thank you for this article, I’ve read it every day for 3 days because it actually helps me to not go back. It helps me to remember and to make sense of the madness that has been my life with this person.</p>
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		By: Ashley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ashley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2018 23:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know that therapists say that if a person thinks they&#039;re a narcissist, or have the traits, they most likely aren&#039;t since narcissists usually have no self awareness. But I truly believe that, after being raised by a narcissistic grandmother, that I do have traits, especially in the ways I treat men. How can I get true help/healing if I&#039;m often told that I probably don&#039;t have traits or if, when I talk about how I treat men, it&#039;s seen as not that serious, when I know that it is?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that therapists say that if a person thinks they&#8217;re a narcissist, or have the traits, they most likely aren&#8217;t since narcissists usually have no self awareness. But I truly believe that, after being raised by a narcissistic grandmother, that I do have traits, especially in the ways I treat men. How can I get true help/healing if I&#8217;m often told that I probably don&#8217;t have traits or if, when I talk about how I treat men, it&#8217;s seen as not that serious, when I know that it is?</p>
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